Tips for Paladins
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Warlocks can be any evil OR chaos.
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If we were doing NWN2… Warlocks?
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@bf1a0114e3=Emerwyn:
Cleric… of Bane
double facepalm
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Cleric… of Bane
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@e4c1ee015c=SummonerX:
@e4c1ee015c=Teringer:
@e4c1ee015c=Vilehelm:
@e4c1ee015c=Anti-Paladins:
Good and evil are not merely mirror images of each other. Just as the forces of good have their unique champions, the paladin is intended as a unique champion of good. The paladin originates from a tradition of dynamic balance, in which the forces of good are few and elite and in which forces of evil are numerous and of lesser quality. Allowing anti-paladins blurs this basic relationship.
What "unique champion of evil" is there IG as a base class?
That aside, useful info.
Blackguards.
As I said…..BASE CLASS
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@9871660802=SummonerX:
@9871660802=Teringer:
@9871660802=Vilehelm:
@9871660802=Anti-Paladins:
Good and evil are not merely mirror images of each other. Just as the forces of good have their unique champions, the paladin is intended as a unique champion of good. The paladin originates from a tradition of dynamic balance, in which the forces of good are few and elite and in which forces of evil are numerous and of lesser quality. Allowing anti-paladins blurs this basic relationship.
What "unique champion of evil" is there IG as a base class?
That aside, useful info.
Blackguards.
Rico? He's after your daughters!
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@aa3d7bc3c1=Teringer:
@aa3d7bc3c1=Vilehelm:
@aa3d7bc3c1=Anti-Paladins:
Good and evil are not merely mirror images of each other. Just as the forces of good have their unique champions, the paladin is intended as a unique champion of good. The paladin originates from a tradition of dynamic balance, in which the forces of good are few and elite and in which forces of evil are numerous and of lesser quality. Allowing anti-paladins blurs this basic relationship.
What "unique champion of evil" is there IG as a base class?
That aside, useful info.
Blackguards.
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@a771471e1d=Vilehelm:
@a771471e1d=Anti-Paladins:
Good and evil are not merely mirror images of each other. Just as the forces of good have their unique champions, the paladin is intended as a unique champion of good. The paladin originates from a tradition of dynamic balance, in which the forces of good are few and elite and in which forces of evil are numerous and of lesser quality. Allowing anti-paladins blurs this basic relationship.
What "unique champion of evil" is there IG as a base class?
That aside, useful info.
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Bump an old but good post. I found it buried in an FAQ post somewhere, but it's hard to get to sometimes. So of the old aggregating threads have bad links.
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Removing the argument from an INFORMATIONAL post.
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Thanks for taking the time to write that up, you had some useful tips, anyways I thought it was pretty good, take care.
-Arthus
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Due to a lack of information on paladin orders and their allowed multiclassing rules, I felt it nessicary to post this here, this is a list of the paladin allowed gods, the name of their knightly orders and the allowed multiclassing rules for that paladin order…I won't hide that I borrowed this from Arabel, because their information is easy to find.
So! here we are.
Deity-Order -Multiclass Allowed
Arvoreen - Arvoreen's Marchers - cleric, fighter, rogue.
Baravar - Knights of the Shadowy Cloak - cleric, fighter, illusionist, rogue.
Berronar - Berronar's Valkyries - cleric, dwarven defender.
Chauntea - Field Guardians - cleric, divine champion
Gaerdal - Shields of the Golden Hills - cleric, fighter
Helm - Vigilant Eyes of the God - cleric, fighter, divine champion, Purple Dragon knight.
Horus-Re - Claws of the Sun and the Ankh - cleric, divine champion,
Ilmater - Order of the Golden Cup - cleric
Ilmater - Companions of the Noble Heart - divine champion, fighter.
Kelemvor - Knights of the Eternal Order - cleric, doomguide
Lathander - Order of the Aster - cleric, divine champion, Purple Dragon knight
Milil - Harmonious Order - fighter
Moradin - Hammers of Moradin - cleric, fighter, divine champion,
dwarven defender
Mystra - Knights of the Mystic Fire - Wizard.
Nobanion - Legion of Lions (wemics and werelions only) - cleric,
divine champion.
Osiris - Order of the Risen Scepter - cleric, ranger.
Red Knight - Order of the Red Falcon - divine champion, fighter.
Siamorphe - Order of the Silver Chalice - fighter
Sune - Sisters and Brothers of the Ruby Rose - devine champion.
Torm - Order of the Golden Lion - Any one other class.
Tyr - Knights of Holy Judgment - cleric, divine champion
Tyr - Knights of the Merciful Sword - fighter, divine champion.
Yondalla - Shields of Yondalla - monk (Hin Fist)
Yondalla - Wayward Wardens - cleric, ranger
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I have always seen the Paladin of the Forgotten Realms as being a champion of their god, much as the Paladin kit of Divinate. This is due to paladins having a specific god and church allegiance in the realms. They are holy warriors but not the crusader class of old (sorry 2e player). Where as clerics and crusaders are part of the church staple the paladin is a separate entity, thus the creation of the Orders. As regarding the rank of a cleric or paladin this is entirely dependant upon the church in question. Also a paladin is given great boons by their god, they may not be great spell casters but they are granted many abilities, which include a bonded mount….*grumbles *. The code of the realms paladins is recorded in Quentin’s Monograph and is as follows:
The Paladins Virtues are:
An organised approach brings the most good for all
Laws exist to bring prosperity under them
Unjust laws must be overturned or changed in a reasonable and positive fashion
People rule; laws help
Cause the most good through the least harm.
Protect the weak
Goodness is not a natural state, but must be fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example
Let your deeds speak your intentions
Goodness radiates from the heart
Give others your mercy, but keep your wits about you.Please note that all of this is from 2e source material. Oh and on an interesting note about ranks of paladins, remember Torm was Tyr’s paladin.
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As I see it, a cleric isn't the same as a priest. Priests maintain temples, holds services and tend to the needs of the local population. A cleric, of course, can and often will do these things as well, but is trained more to be an agent of his or her god. They spread the deity's influence, recover artifacts and relics, and hunt down enemies of the church. In a way, they are crusaders. Holy warriors, endowed with blessings of their gods, which allow them to best carry out His or Her will. This is also reflected in the armor and weapon proficiencies a cleric gains.
In my eyes, a paladin is a knight first and foremost. Dedicated to Good and Law. However, Paladins often take on a patron deity with matching dogma (such as Tyr, Torm, Helm, Lathander and Illmater) to the knightly principles. They fight for that god, and in return are given some of the deity's power (spells), but not as much as the cleric.
Paladins are not the holy warriors of the church. That's what clerics are. Of course, therre are many different gods in Faeruhn, and not all clerics are crusading heroes/villains of their god. However, their training and spells are designed towards this crusader goal.One final thought: as such, clerics technically "outrank" paladins, as they are fully dedicated to service of their gods, while Paladins (although they can be quite dedicated, and perhaps even more than a cleric) are warriors in a god's cause, and little else. They are not gurus, they are not champions, and they are definitly not fit as emmisaries of their god.
They are temple guards and defenders. They are escorts of clergy. They augment the cleric's martial capabilities with their own, giving up the cleric's advanced spellcasting.
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Aside from the -excellent- guide from shadevar.. here are my tips:
Decide on faith before opening the character creation engine..
Read the 3.0 Dogma..
Consider how wise and intelligent they are going to be as to the nature of guru or blind faith zealot they are likely to be..
Faiths have many arms, and you may come from wildly differing lands, so consider that and how it reflects on your paladin nature.A temple-raised tormite in tantras is going to be different from a elf-raised woods-loving tyr paladin.
If clerics reposnsabilites are to the flock and to the expansion of their faiths, and their status in the eyes of the deity is down to dealing with their faith and their followers, then a paladins status and standing is more on a knife-(or sword) edge. Opportunities for success and failure/fall may appear within moments of each other.
Play to the paladins strengths, and remember what enemies paladins are best suited to fight.
I am always interested in hearing interesting concepts from players on paladins, so feel free to speak to me anytime about them. I always watch and enjoy seeing paladin and cleric roleplay.
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My paladin has points in taunt…I just have to think of using it more often!
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Though I have not played a paladin on Narfell yet. My primary character on my previous server was a paladin. About a year and a half worth of time invested in Will.
I just wanted to point out if you have the urge, taunt is a typically overlooked skill. It's not just for bards
Paladins have the benefit of high charisma to correlate into some good taunt rolls. And, unlike bards, paladins can use the temporarily decreased ac to deal some serious damage.
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@13f2d2827f=ZANETAR:
Fine, fine, Zyph… I'll play along.
If there is a warrior gaining divine power through Law and Good (as domains), then why isn't there one for Chaos and Evil? ... There you go ... Unbalanced.
As a reply to this I'll post a quote from an out of date D&D booklet, which may not show he rules, but which does show the -spirit- of the paladin:
@13f2d2827f=Anti-Paladins:
What better nemesis for a paladin than his direct opposite, an "anti-paladin" that embodies the forces of evil? As themirror image of a normal paladin, an anit-paladin might be able to detect the presence of good, generate an aura of protection against good creatures, and wield an "unholy" sword.
Though DMs may experiment with any type of character they like, we discourage the use of anti-paladins. Good and evil are not merely mirror images of each other. Just as the forces of good have their unique champions, the paladin is intended as a unique champion of good. The paladin originates from a tradition of dynamic balance, in which the forces of good are few and elite and in which forces of evil are numerous and of lesser quality. Allowing anti-paladins blurs this basic relationship.
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Fine, fine, Zyph… I'll play along.
If there is a warrior gaining divine power through Law and Good (as domains), then why isn't there one for Chaos and Evil? ... There you go ... Unbalanced.
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Yep
You hit it on the head. "Good" and "Law" are powers of thier own by the Core rules, as are anything else that has a domain. They are actual realms and philosophies of those things that are divine in nature and thus grant the power through the belief in it. Its the same reason why in 3.0 you can have a Cleric of Destruction. Not following a god that likes destruction, but worships the aspect and concept of Destruction itself. They could have say the destruction domain (duh) and possibly lets say "Fire" domain because fire destroys things or "War" domain because Through war there is destruction They made the Core Rules so that you don't HAVE to have gods or follow gods so that it was a more wide open and accessible game path.So to answer what you said. Yes, the paladin in the core 3.0 rules does get his divine abilities from the concepts of Good and Law and to deviate from a Paladins Code is to lose touch with those concepts and thus fall
