OOC: Sam's Hill Marker
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I know that IC, several of my characters have had conversations about Sam's Hill, what it was, why, and who Sam was with old timers who remember him, or those who the story was passed down to.
William even met Sam once, brought back briefly for a DM event, and Will tells that story to other PCs.
I don't think any of those things would have occurred - or if they did would have meant as much to the characters involved, were that marker defaced or gone.
Norwick claims the territory now, so it is theirs to do with as they will. I would hope someone in the Norwick government has a better sense of history than to allow the marker to be defaced or removed.
If Peltarch extended their influence further south and chose to remove the tomb of the unknown, I think reactions would be similar.
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Thats what this thread has been to establish. What has actually happened to it, how, especially since I'm told that it was warded.
Just because it's randomly named IG could have just been a DM trying out the renaming widget, or something else. People have been trying to get the official answer on what was done to it.
Now that we have an offical answer…, actions can happen. Assuming that is the official answer.
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((Ok its defaced.
Anyone passing that has seen its defaced I ask this simple question:
Has anyone thought of repairing it to its former glory?
Right. Anyone sent a message in Party chat of what they are doing in case a DM is on?
I don't know which DM changed it and what was RP'd. But when I have been on I have seen no one RP anything to the contrary and I have watched many pass it.))
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Speaking Personally, I've been part of several trips and stops on Sam's hill to pay respects. So saying no-one roleplays it also isn't true.
However if you read Zyphlins post…., he said he wasn't oppossing that people could do things IC with it. He wanted to make sure it wasn't an OOC thing.
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@5f0f8645f2=Zyphlin:
((So basically…the justification for it "being worn away" be herrold isn't that, people are doing it, but its OUR fault that we didn't upkeep it, without any indication it needed upkeep.
Should we start going to the bathroom too? Negative to movement speed for constipation? We should probably have to start paying taxes for any land in Peltarch. And I'm sure dwin will pay for weather damage to his house whenever there is some major storm happenign over in jiyyd?
Please don't try to make up some OOC justification of it to throw it back on everyone else, espicially such a poor one as "no ones RP repainting the marker".
Numerous people still talk of Sam, Sam's hill, and tell new people about it. And there are numerous of us that would've easily fixed a placard if there was ever ANY indication that there was wear on it over the years.
No one is saying that it shouldn't be subject to PC ations, nor that Norwick should have the ability to chisel it off. Some of us are just expression that OOC, its sad to see people randomly decide to take an action...which really is going to have no real IG benifits to them...that will destroy something that was a great sign of what one can accomplish in narfell and of narfellian history.
The comment that no one has taken any notice to it since it has been put in is simply, flat out, not true.))
((Look someone RP's defacing it, its defaced. You rp going to the bathroom I will give you 2xp for knowing a human's basic needs.
Its part of the Map and you can RP with it. Its not just a map marker of the metaphysical.
There is an ACTUAL placeable on the map. RP it. If someone chooses to RP defacing it.
And FYI:: I have never changed the name of that particular rock.
What I am telling you is this.
There is no difference between a tin vein, a town gate, a boulder and that marker. Matter of fact, since its currently in "no man's land" there is not even anyone protecting it.
You can touch it, bash it, RP with it etc. How it exists in Lore is up to you.
All I am saying is, if its there its RP-able. This is not the lobby, Dungeon or hall of heros.
Someone decides to RP it and eveyone throws their hands in the air in protest.
But I ask you this. If its that important to you, why is there never some sort of festival there? Ceremony by the paladins of his order? His guild?
There is plenty of downtime on the server and plenty of opportunity to RP with it. But when its affects how you personally feel about the marker, its treated like a national monument.Only a few people are RPing with the marker, and apparently its in a way you do not appreciate.
Clearly this "Legendary Marker" is not important enough to be RP'd with or spawn any events off of.
As far as what people can accomplish in Narfell. Houses are removed, guilds fold, maps change, PCs are NPCd. No one complains. This is a physical marker in a public map.
We can't start roping off parts of the map as tributes.
Its a playable map. Period.
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The point about the rock it that it's the embryo for tales, without it who will wonder as they pass by alone "Why's it called Sam's hill ?..Who was Sam ?"
Zyph's point is that it can spark a tale from those that know of what can be achieved on the server by IG actions.
Indeed Dwins house could also spark a tale but compare the material of yeah..dwin bought the house…he's a well known crafter and leader of a guild to the tales you can spin of the eastlander hordes..Atol..viscious battles against a relentless foe.
Players will soon learn on the Forums that they can buy a house, lead a guild and so forth where else can they learn of the history of a part of narfell. ?Now I'm not saying Dwin should be any less rewnowned than Sam...if you'll notice I didn't mention Sam in the material at all. Differing Bards hold different people on that pedestal you mentioned.
The thing is..the rock is a placemarker for some of the history IC and OOC of narfell. There are people who would see that marker kept ( most notably bards) in both senses to show what can be achieved OOC and tell tales IC.
Telling them the marker is worn IC will produce an IC response and most likely IC actions to reverse the process. I'm sure if the bards grouped to gether to demolish dwins property there'd be an IC response.
if it was done for OOC concerns I'm damn sure there'd be an OOC response too.
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I can appreciate that people are OOC upset about this…kinda...actually not really, but shrugs whatever.
If this small rock is now the embodiment of what you can accomplish in Narfell, thats actually kinda sad. My PC has vast fortune, leads guilds, owns property in almost every town... but I have no geographical marker with my name on it... anyplace.. is that the cherry on top of the sundae? Do I need to carve my name into a rock to get to the pedestal that Sam was on? I certainly dont think so.
That hill was called "Sam's Hill" long before the marker was placed there, and it will be long after, whether the rock is there or not. Actually, the only reason the marker is there in the first place was as a bargaining chip to try and get Sam to stay on the server, which he didn't. It was placed there after he left. He never came back. Sometimes you need to take the chips off the table.
I appreciate that this is all OOC. I am a bit upset that IC actions are being taken as a result of this thread, but shrugs thats how some people roll. I can tell you that one person's hero can be another person's villain, and that while I am offering no explanations for anything, and this is all OOC, there are good reasons for what is being done.
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Some Talosan player once tried to etch a lightning bolt into the marker with his spear and whilst the Norwick DM was willing to run with it (i.e. find out who did it and kick the crap out of him :)) another DM had a small hissy fit and pretty much ruled that "of course the marker would be magically protected". What with the Wild Magic it's a wonder it hasn't transmogrified into a small hairy lemon.
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((So basically…the justification for it "being worn away" be herrold isn't that, people are doing it, but its OUR fault that we didn't upkeep it, without any indication it needed upkeep.
Should we start going to the bathroom too? Negative to movement speed for constipation? We should probably have to start paying taxes for any land in Peltarch. And I'm sure dwin will pay for weather damage to his house whenever there is some major storm happenign over in jiyyd?
Please don't try to make up some OOC justification of it to throw it back on everyone else, espicially such a poor one as "no ones RP repainting the marker".
Numerous people still talk of Sam, Sam's hill, and tell new people about it. And there are numerous of us that would've easily fixed a placard if there was ever ANY indication that there was wear on it over the years.
No one is saying that it shouldn't be subject to PC ations, nor that Norwick should have the ability to chisel it off. Some of us are just expression that OOC, its sad to see people randomly decide to take an action...which really is going to have no real IG benifits to them...that will destroy something that was a great sign of what one can accomplish in narfell and of narfellian history.
The comment that no one has taken any notice to it since it has been put in is simply, flat out, not true.))
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((If there are any attempts to re-chisel, i would appreciate it if you could talk to me. the guards on the hill have orders concerning anything like that… ))
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I very much agree with Zyph.
@14dc5599a4=Herrold:
No one has taken any notice of this marker since it was put in, from his guild OR friends. ))
What are you talking about? I've had numerous conversations about it. Just because you didn't hear them doesn't mean they didn't happen.
If somebody goes and chisels the words back in, can we have it restored IG?
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actually, Lilly has made it a point to tell newer adventurers about Sam and why that marker is there. If it's starting to look illegible..well she can go freshen it up. It hasn't been ignored, there just haven't been lines of people waiting to buy tickets to see it.
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((good point herrold. ::goes to make a subsequent IC post in rumors::))
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(( No one RPs taking care of it, its been there for years in a harsh environment.
IC'ly or whatever, either RP taking care of it, or its subject to the elements and other PC actions.
Its just like anything else IG. Either RP it, or someone else will.
No one has taken any notice of this marker since it was put in, from his guild OR friends. ))
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((As an OOC thing, I'd just like to say, this highly saddens me. Sam's Hill was one of the few signs in this game that showed PC's could try and strive for something and maybe have some kind of lasting affect…and it saddens me to see people just decide that they need to make it thier IC purpose to mess it up. Yes, its IC...but it wasn't a necessary IC, even with Norwick "Taking it". Not saying it shouldn't happen, but I really think it takes away one of the most interesting things of narfell.
ICly, Zyph will act appropriately))
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((Its defaced, whether it was done by someone, something, or just years of nature is unclear. The writing is no longer legible.
the reason its not always that way is that it hasnt been put into the build yet, so it has to be "manually" defaced for now. Please assume it is always defaced.))
